The Volokh Conspiracy

How Times Have Changed:

Reader Roger Baumgarten passed along to me some clips about the 1957 Far Rockaway (New York City) High School rifle team.

Change one is obvious from the preceding sentence. Change two: The team was called, for obvious reasons and apparently not facetiously, The Nimrods.

Special bonus: Odd, and likely ultimately not substantive, mental connection to Dire Straits' Tunnel of Love.

Former Law Review Editor:
They certainly look like a bunch of nimrods.
4.20.2007 5:54pm
Mike BUSL07 (mail):
Didn't Scalia write something about how in saner times he used to ride the subway in New York with his tournament rifle over the shoulder?
4.20.2007 5:55pm
US Sub Guy:
The brits still fly a Maritime Patrol / ASW aircraft called the NIMROD. It's a bad ass sub hunter, and scary to users of periscopes everywhere.

The first time I reported that I had contact with a NIMROD to my XO, he started giggling. It's an inside joke between us to this day.
4.20.2007 7:01pm
David Muellenhoff (mail):
I actually have a relative by marriage whose first name is Nimrod. Everyone calls him "Nim." He seems quite comfortable with his name.
4.20.2007 8:06pm
Tex:
Coming from a family of people who like to spend time at the shooting range, I'm really happy to see that society has changed so significantly.

To my mind, all of this stuff smacks of rednecks and juvenile old men.
4.20.2007 8:58pm
Sebastian (mail) (www):
Man, I am shocked at the contempt some of you people have for your fellow citizens just because they embrace some things that offend your world view.
4.20.2007 9:04pm
Mattpic42:
When I read the word "Nimrod", I immediately hear Bugs Bunny's Brooklyn-accented put down. "What a nimrod! What a maroon!" Referring to Elmer, the hunter, but said with extreme derision...
4.20.2007 9:17pm
Joshua:
Go Nimrods!

(Oh, and the other Nimrods too.)
4.20.2007 9:23pm
subpatre (mail):
You got me. It's obvious it was a fair or amusement park, but I'd always thought the words were "walk away".

IF the word's "rockaway", then it should be capitalized Rockaway, home to these marksmen and a legendary amusement park.
4.20.2007 10:03pm
JewishAnon:
Eugene, as a fellow member of the tribe, I'm a little surprised you don't know that Nimrod is a biblical reference for Hunter (I think its Hebrew, but I'm not sure). Thus "The Nimrods" makes perfect sense for a rifle team.

I actually met a guy in Israel named Nimrod a few years back, he pronounced it Nim-road, but I'm not sure if that's the only correct pronunciation.
4.20.2007 10:39pm
hardbeliever:
Got 'cher Nimrod right here…

http://www.bowenclassicarms.com/NEW/RS09picture.htm
4.20.2007 11:18pm
Eugene Volokh (www):
JewishAnon: Did you happen to see my reference to the "obvious reasons" for the name, and the link to the dictionary definition revealing those reasons (which I happened to know before, but which I surely must have known at the time I posted my post)?
4.20.2007 11:27pm
Ted Frank (www):
I've long had the theory that "nimrod" was just a pretentious way to refer to a hunter, until Bugs Bunny's derisive use of the word to describe Elmer Fudd made a generation of children with incomplete vocabularies to think it was just a generic insult akin to its phonetic neighbor "numbskull." (I see one of the dictionaries linked to by EV endorses this theory.) Tarantino's similar usage of the word in "Pulp Fiction" ("Jules, if you give $1500 to this nimrod, I'm going to blow him away on general principles") clinched the shift in meaning in American English.
4.20.2007 11:55pm
Enoch:
Even back in the 1980s, our high school trap and skeet team students routinely kept their shotguns in their cars. And we have a picture in the yearbook of us on campus, all holding our shotguns. Shock, horror!
4.21.2007 9:58am
pst314 (mail):
"nimrod was just a pretentious way to refer to a hunter"

Not pretentious at all. There was a time when most people knew enough about the Bible to understand.
4.21.2007 10:09am
D Anghelone:
Dr. Joyce Brothers graduated Far Rockaway High School and, apparently, without any Freudian weapons hangups. And then there is Carl Icahn.

Directly to the east of Far Rockaway are some towns of Nassau County where, at that time, there was still allowed some hunting with shotguns.
4.21.2007 11:17am
TC@LeatherPenguin (mail) (www):
and on the eighth day, Rockaway bestowed upon us The Ramones.
4.21.2007 11:54am
Can't find a good name:
Ted Frank's theory is most likely correct, although the "Pulp Fiction" quote may just be an example of the word's shift in meaning and not the definitive example.

As an aside, I would avoid using Lyricsfreak.com as a reference due to its disregard for apostrophes, making it appear as though the site is run by illiterates. One of the lines in "Tunnel of Love" is shown on that web site as the following:

And I dont know Ill be tonight but Id always tell you where I am
4.21.2007 1:05pm
wonk:
Here in liberal vermont we still have several schools with riflery teams and hunting clubs... The high school that serves my local school district has both... Riflery is a varsity sport, students are not allowed to carry guns on the bus, they can't transport ammo with the rifles (the school provides practice and match ammo), and the guns have to be dropped off at the athletic office "promptly" when the students arrive at school... We also have a biathalon team with the same rules re: their guns but I think it got cut this past year for $$$ reasons (cost a lot to run and few students participated)...


The hunting clubs just have some meetings, run a gun saftey course, then go hunting for a weekend in the fall...
4.21.2007 7:31pm
Owen Hutchins (mail):
On the other hand, when I was in college, I tried to join my school's (Drexel Univ.) rifle team. The team was run at the time by the man that was also one of the lead ROTC instructors, and I was told that I couldn't join as I wasn't ROTC; he only wanted ROTCers as civilians like me didn't need to know how to handle a rifle anyway, so he wanted to focus on those that did.
4.21.2007 8:38pm
ronbo:
My father, Abraham Lincoln HS (Brooklyn, NY) '45 was on the rifle and pistol team, and was all-Army after he was drafted. He had many faults, but he was no nimrod.
4.21.2007 10:03pm
Jay Sweeney (mail):
My Mom was from Fa''Ockaway.

But she went to Stella Maris. Nice Catholic girl... sorry Tribesman. Class o' '58 though.
4.22.2007 1:28am
comatus (mail):
Well, don't keep us all waiting: Where Are They Now?
And what did poor Gruenwald do to lose his forename, and be forever memorialized with the Star Wars-like "Groenwoie"?

Odds are these fellows turned out pretty well. I spend time with a lot of smallbore competitors (have actually met a Watersmeet Nimrod!), and find them a jovial, highly-educated, well-adjusted lot, unlike golfers, for instance. And the juniors have GPA's that put to shame the participants of any other scholastic sport--including chess, which has been known to harbor a brilliant loser or two if the team needs it.
4.22.2007 2:01am
wonk:
Correction time:
I just ran into the coach of the rifelry team at the store this morning and mentioned to him that it seemed that most of the rest of the world has given up on high school rifelry... He pointed out that while the policies for regular rifles are still on the books at our school, the school team, along with all the other teams in the state , has switched to air rifelry... The biathloners still shoot .22lr, and he still has a couple kids on his team that bring regular match rifles to practice because they compete outside of school sanctioned events, but the bulk of the action these days is air guns supplied by the schools...
4.22.2007 8:54am
Wild Pegasus (mail) (www):
Wow, I grew up watching the Bugs Bunny cartoons, and I knew about Nimrod the Mighty Hunter, but I never made the connection between the two. Huh.

- Josh
4.22.2007 3:30pm
bud (mail):
I'm of that era, and my high school actually had an indoor range in a sub-basement. It was shut down because someone finally noticed that the ventalation wasn't very good, and that was the end of the rifle team.
4.23.2007 7:49pm
Bilwick (mail):
Eventually the Nimrods' were integrated--at which time they were whacked by the Howard Beach team.
4.24.2007 10:26am