Robert Comer died Tuesday with a steady gaze and a defiant smile on his face, the first person to be executed in Arizona since November 2000.
He was strapped to a gurney and covered up to his neck with a sheet.
There was no sight of the catheter into his groin that made the lethal injection possible, no sight of the executioners on the other side of a wall.
But Comer was smiling; he had petitioned the federal courts to stop his appeals and hasten his own execution. He was in control of his destiny.
Comer brought a picture of his daughter with him to the death chamber and used his last words to say, "Go, Raiders."
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I suspect that in San Francisco, Comer would have a First Amendment right to the words but that Rule 403 would prevent them from being used against him.
On the hand, the Cardinals fans in Arizona probably don't care.
Well on the plus side Raiders fans won’t want to count him as one of their own and people who hate the Raiders have one more reason to despise him. ;)
Seriously though, you’re right that it is sickening the way that murderers like this piece of crap, Tookie Williams, Mumiah Whatisface get turned into celebrities in our culture. I think that instead of giving a condemned criminal his “last words” they should read aloud the obituary of his victim(s) and flip the switch.
How many people who are “in control of [their own] destiny” have to spend 20 years of their life in prison knowing that someone else will eventually take their life when they decide they want to? Sounds to me like this guy had zero control of his own destiny and the asshat reporters were trying to build this raping, murdering piece of garbage up as some kind of a tough guy.
Bronco fans = classy people.
State v. Comer, 799 P.2d 333, 336-38 (Ariz. 1990).
This isn’t a tough guy who got the last word, this was a pathetic piece of crap whose own family didn’t want to be there to comfort him in his last minutes on this Earth.
There is some debate in both the medical and legal communities as to whether the condemned feel pain that they cannot express as a result of the drugs they are given when they are executed. This man's case adds nothing factual to that debate, but IF he anticipated losing the ability to express pain, then he chose to mask it with a smile, making that smile the last thing the world would see on him in an "in your face" sort of gesture. I suspect that the action of paralytic drugs working on both smooth and skeletal muscles would relax the smile into the blank expression we are being told by doctors (at least in California) masks the pain felt by the condemned. This smile puts the lie to their claim of pain and discomfort, no?
Or assumed. I didn't think they were executing him for jaywalking.
These journalists that glorify monsters make me ill. "Fatally shooting a man" is how his crime is described in the article, as though he was engaged in some target practice and accidentally clipped a passerby.
FWIW here, I believe that pancuronium (variant of curare) selectively effects skeletal muscles, the only type involved in facial expression.
Good pick-up on the facial tattoos. I saw them in the photo too, but didn't appreciate their significance. There used to be a pretty high correlation between tattoos, especially certain types, and sociopathy, but I suppose the correlation is less these days with the increased social acceptance of tattoos. "L-O-V-E" tattooed between the knuckles of one hand and "H-A-T-E" between those of the other is not reassuring, though maybe not as telling as "tear drops" like Comer's. (I wonder whether his were "professionally" done.)
The sotry should have merited a single paragraph blurb. Something like: "Robert Comer was executed on Tuesday at xxx Prison in Florence, Arizona. He was convicted of first degree murder and sentenced to death in the 1987 killing of Larry Pritchard."
i remember one pro-tookie pundit was being interviewed, claiming that he was knowledgeable about the case, how tookie should be pardoned, etc. etc. etc.
he was asked if he could name ONE of tookie's victims. couldn't do it. that pretty much sealed it for me - tookie was another cult of personality, just like mumia.
(I'm joking.)
My bad! You're right. Pancuronium bromide affects only skeletal muscle, not smooth muscle.
Yeah, but you picked up on the tear-drop tattoos which I overlooked, and those were more significant than the specifics of pancuronium. I do wonder when/where Comer got those tattoos and whether we can, in effect, take his word for having victimized a number equal to or greater than the number of tear drops.
Now, for those experienced in or knowledgeable about this: Would a prosecutor be allowed to call attention to those facial tattoos in front of jurors and question him as to their meaning? If I were Comer's defense counsel, an assignment I would not want, I would have a make-up artist cover up the tattoos as well as they could and object like hell if the prosecution went there.
I wouldn't think so. Too much chance for puffery.
The ones who worry about executing the innocent.
I dunno, perhaps you could enlighten us by naming those alleged "posters who always raise questions about the fact of the crime whenever death penalty comes up at Volokh"?
It seems to me that we have a number of folks who have raised that as a concern about the death penalty in general but that’s quite a bit different than suggesting that every person executed was potentially wrongfully convicted.
On the other hand, all this talk about whether the executed feel pain is irrelevant to me. If we were after revenge we'd commit tortures far worse than 20 minutes of painful paralysis followed by death.
On the gripping hand, there seems to be no doubt in this case, and he waived his appeals. I see nothing wrong with executing a man guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, who is not attempting to stop his execution.
At least the newspaper left off
"It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul."
Perhaps we could substitute:
"It matters not how strait the gate,
Nor if the Raiders win the Superbowl,
I am the master of my fate:
And ran up a murderous toll."
(Henry copies a post of mine) 'Henry, can I assume that you're cool with executing heinous murderers in cases where there is no doubt that the verdict was correct, that the person being executed really did the deed?'
And he replies:
'That would be a foolish thing to assume, because I did not say that I had no reasons to oppose the death penalty other than the likelihood of executing innocent people. But, even if I had no other reason, I deny that there is ever "no doubt." There may appear to be no doubt, but people are framed, witnesses lie, and errors might have occured even when it doesn't seem possible that they did.'
I do think it might be in the nature of sugar coating, in that it allows the victim's family and society to be removed from the judgment. Perhaps it would be better if the sentence of life vs. death was arrived at by those who suffer the loss of the victim, or in the event there is no one, by a court-appointed conservator to represent the loss of the victim to society. There would still be the same due process and court proceedings, with the only difference being the sentencing after the verdict is given. It seems to be a more direct process to me.
Don't you think that giving the decision of life versus death to someone with an interest in the outcome would violate one of the most fundamental requirements of due process--an impartial decision-maker?
Perhaps it is not funny, but instructive, indicating that the anti-DP crowd is not driven by knee-jerk belief that all murderers are innocent or good, but rather by (a) broader policy or philosophical questions that are not raised by any particular case or (b) cases where the validity of the conviction or the justice of the sentence are in question.
I am opposed to the death penalty because I think it doesn't make us safer, which ought to be our primary purpose, and because I suspect we have sometimes executed innocent people, which pisses me off. There are plenty of cases, though, where the death penalty is fair and this would be one of them. I think the death penalty will be gotten rid of one day in this country; that this guy was executed before that happened is not a problem.
Comer seems to have given up on life at the time of the crime. The typical cold and callous killer would have killed Smith and Jones and maybe Willis and her children, too, and wouldn't have waited to kill the dog. This may count as one of the slowest and most appalling cases of "suicide by cop" ever. He should just have shot himself and left Pritchard and the others out of it.
I suspect it's just that they don't have the courage of their convictions when a case comes along that makes all their arguments look like the emotional nonsense that they are.
And it is not true that a well-regulated death penalty would not make us safer. Since there are many more homicides than there are killers, intervening to remove the killers at the earliest convenient stage of their career would necessarily make us safer.
I think Orin may have missed the real story:
Comer brought a picture of his daughter with him to the death chamber and used his last words to say, "Go, Raiders."
This isn’t a tough guy who got the last word, this was a pathetic piece of crap whose own family didn’t want to be there to comfort him in his last minutes on this Earth."
Couldn't agree more.
Perhaps it is not funny, but instructive, indicating that the anti-DP crowd is not driven by knee-jerk belief that all murderers are innocent or good, but rather by (a) broader policy or philosophical questions that are not raised by any particular case or (b) cases where the validity of the conviction or the justice of the sentence are in question.'
I suspect it's just that they don't have the courage of their convictions when a case comes along that makes all their arguments look like the emotional nonsense that they are.
I'm against the death penalty.
Here's a defendant whose guilt of horrible murders is certain and whose acts are not going to elicit anything but revulsion from anyone who is reasonable. But that proves nothing one way or another in the larger debate about whether or not we should have the death penalty.
Apparently you think it does, in fact that all you need to do is find one such defendant and the debate is over. Death penalty opponents are under no illusions about cold-blooded killers. Apparently you think they are.
You haven't been listening to the other side of the death penalty debate. This case is simply not relevant to most of the reasons I oppose the death penalty, although I appreciate that it's relevant to the reasons you support the death penalty. If all death penalty cases were like this one--if some way could be found of making sure they were all like this one--most of my objections to the death penalty, although not all, would disappear. But they aren't all like this one and the state has no way of ensuring they are.
As for why I would oppose the death penalty even if all cases were like this one, let me just say I believe state imposition of capital punishment is immoral. Does that in any way further the debate or help anyone? No, it doesn't; my moral views are obviously different than yours and it's hardly worth the effort to pontificate about them on this forum. That's why I didn't bother contributing to this thread in any substantive way until you posted your view that death penalty opponents are not commenting here because they lack the courage of their convictions.
It's okay by me if you think my moral views are "emotional nonsense." I think yours are a great deal worse than nonsense, emotional or not.
So you'd be saying that other cases, the ones where DP opponents show up, don't make their arguments look like emotional nonsense. What kinds of cases would those be?
There are plenty of arguments that are neither emotional nor nonsense and which this case doesn't particularly refute. When balancing factors, execution of someone Comer weighs for the death penalty, but it doesn't end the discussion. The idea that the satisfaction we all derive from ending an asshole like this should end the death penalty debate is itself emotional nonsense. "Every life is precious" and "fry the scumbag" are points at opposite sides of an emotional space.
Aye, and a true Scotsman would never find himself on death row. (Just learned about the whole 'True Scotsman" idea on another VC thread.)
It is hard to refute your point, as there are death penalty systems in place around the world that do make people safer and we can simply define them as well-regulated. Well, they make most people safer, anyway. The whole due process idea takes a bit of a hit when people arrested for crimes over the week-end are beheaded on Monday, and you could argue that due process is an element of being safe. Still, it cuts into the number of criminals.
But it is even harder to refute with that "well-regulated" in there, since we can simply call any application of the death penalty not correlated with increased public safety badly regulated.
This isn't right, at least as an argument for the death penalty.
You say we should remove the killers as early as possible in their careers. What does that have to do with killing them? A sentence of life without parole removes them as much as either a quickly or slowly imposed death sentence. The choice is not between execution and putting them back on the streets. It is between execution and incarceration.
Since they are removed just as effectively, the argument has to come back to other things, like deterrence, resource allocation and the public perception of justice.
Resource allocation is tricky ... you can find arguments that LWOP is 10 times as expensive all to way to 10 times cheaper than execution. Deterrence is tricky, too. Reading the account of Comer's crime, it was clearly utterly unaffected by any perception he might have had about the justice system. Concept of justice? Tricky too. When a guy like this is offed, the perception of justice benefits. When the wrong guy is executed or doubts persist about guilt, when prosecutors grandstand, when ethnicity or wealth are seen to affect the application of the sentence, when public attention is lavished on the few cases where the DP comes up at all and diverted from the much larger number of other cases, the concept of justice can be eroded.
None of these things are simple, but no way does executing one guy "necessarily" make us safer.
Do you honestly think the death penalty is ever decided unemotionally? Really?
I don't want to argue stubbornly for what was nothing more than a fleeting idea, but to believe that any life-or-death decision can be made sans emotion just isn't reality.
Not if preventing the murder of innocent people is the goal, because murderers in prison keep killing.
The 'nobody dies at all' option isn't available.
And I say 'emotional nonsense' based on decades of observing death penalty opponents, who almost never show the dlightest interest in the murderees.
Prison isn't a killing ground. It's infested with morons, reckless and impulsive assholes, puffed-up egos, justifications for this, that, and whatever, rapists, deviants, swindlers, the insane, the mentally-suspect, and all sorts of others, but there just isn't that much killing going on.
I don't want to argue stubbornly for what was nothing more than a fleeting idea, but to believe that any life-or-death decision can be made sans emotion just isn't reality.
What on earth are you on about? I suggested that your proposal that "those who suffer the loss of the victim" decide on penalty violates the due process impartial decision-maker guarantee, notwithstanding your assertion that "[t]here would still be the same due process," and you come back with this nonsequitur.
Don't confuse the man with the facts.
Fewer than 40 or 50.
That the murder rate in a prison, with armed guards around and inmates under some sort of control for at least part of each day, would be less than in a city of a million people is more obtuse even than the usual antiDP argument.
Allah be merciful, they've escaped the quarantine!