The Volokh Conspiracy

The Demise of the Humanities:

Robert VerBruggen has a marvelous one paragraph summary of the current state of the study of the humanities in the modern university, summarizing Christopher Orlet's review of Anthony Kronman's book Education's End (got that?):

He makes the case that humanities are trending down for three reasons. One, in a tougher economy, it's not really worthwhile to spend a ton of money learning about the meaning of life instead of preparing for a career. Two, PC has taken away whatever value such moral studies used to have. Three, rather than grapple with big questions, the humanities have been focusing on minutiae.

I read Tony's book this past fall and thought it very good and very insightful. Kronman's analysis of the crippling effects of political correctness on the humanities is especially powerful. Kronman also presented the inaugural Janus Lecture this spring for the Daniel Webster Program at Dartmouth. I recommend the book for those interested in higher education today.

I don't recall Tony actually making point one above (that it is not worthwhile to spend a ton of money learning about the meaning of life) and it doesn't seem consistent with my take away from the book. The point itself, however, seems quite valid whether it is Kronman's or Orlet's. The three factors, of course, are mutually reinforcing--the triviality and PC'ness of much of the humanities contributes to the perception that they are a waste of time compared to the task of human capital development.

Bob Montgomery (mail):
One, in a tougher economy, it's not really worthwhile to spend a ton of money learning about the meaning of life instead of preparing for a career.

I remember hearing the same thing about a good economy in the late 90s - no one wanted to go into the humanities because there was so much money to be made with a "real" degree.

So, which is it? Or both - people are only interested in the humanities when the economy is in the middle: neither booming nor busting. Has anybody ever done any research on this?

Haven't read the book, so I'm sorry if he covers this.
5.23.2008 2:22pm
Curt Fischer:

One, in a tougher economy, it's not really worthwhile to spend a ton of money learning about the meaning of life instead of preparing for a career.


I'm not sure I buy this particular point. Our current economy is "tougher" relative to what? The economy of the mid-nineties? If that's the comparison, the implication is that the humanities were booming along with the economy back then. But I've never heard anyone argue that the 1990s were especially prosperous for the humanities.

If the toughness is that the percentage of the population landing college degrees has skyrocketed over the last several decades, and the result has been increased competition for post-collegiate jobs, the point may stand. But Prof. Zywicki's wording seems to indicate a much more general claim: "it is not worthwhile to spend a ton of money learning about the meaning of life". If that's true now why wasn't it in the past?

I don't know much about the humanities in general, so I can't really discuss whether the other factors supposedly leading to the humanities' decline. They sound reasonable enough to me.
5.23.2008 2:23pm
bornyesterday (mail) (www):
Oddly enough, I have a degree in physics which has nothing to do with my current career, as a product of intention. Not looking for a job in a field related to my degree did cause me a bit of trouble though.
5.23.2008 2:25pm
Thomas_Holsinger:
The objective of a liberal arts education had been teaching critical thinking to students. Critical thinking is a threat to political correctness. And the liberal arts died of cognitive dissonance.
5.23.2008 2:32pm
Randy R. (mail):
I was in college in the early 80s, during the Reagan recession. That one cut deep, as many blue collar jobs were lost permanently, and most other jobs were tough to come by. The debate was going on then whether the humanities and liberal arts were worthwhile, and were a luxury that can't be afforded in the new economy. Many people predicted the demise of the liberal arts in favor engineering and computing classes at the time.

Interestingly, a recent play by Alan Bennett entitled The History Boys is set in the early 80s and raises the same issues. I suspect these issues have been with us for a long time, and well before PCness crept into college campuses.

", it's not really worthwhile to spend a ton of money learning about the meaning of life instead of preparing for a career."

Anyone who thinks that the liberal arts are about learning the meaning of life shouldn't be teaching them anyway. The best teachers always taught about art, literature, music, poetry, history, languages and so on NOT because they have any practical value (although they might have some), but because of its worth knowing for it's own sake.

That these subjects teaches one critical analysis and better thinking is a great value as well, but if one studies these subjects only for that reason, one is bound to not do terribly well in any case.
5.23.2008 2:47pm
PersonFromPorlock:
The flagrant greed of the Academy (tuition growth, creative fees, textbook price hikes, exploitation of graduate students, exploitation of undergraduate students etc.) probably signals to applicants that this is not the place and these are not the people from whom to learn about the meaning of life.
5.23.2008 2:49pm
procrastinating clerk (mail):

One, in a tougher economy, it's not really worthwhile to spend a ton of money learning about the meaning of life instead of preparing for a career.


I think that what is happening is even broader than this. As our economy turns more technological and quantitative partially because of globalization and the tech boom. It seems like someone coming out of the humanities starts out further and further behind the curve. Kind of a "World is Flat" phenomenon.
5.23.2008 3:04pm
Houston Lawyer:
Who hires people who have degrees in "Women's studies" or similar grievance-based programs? I know that I wouldn't pay to have any of my children pursue such a degree.
5.23.2008 3:18pm
Happyshooter:
Critical [fill in the blank] studies are waste of time for everyone involved except the person granted tenure for cranking out a mindless series of papers on the subject.

Heck, look at the Sokal affair. Not even tenured critical studies scholars could tell they were reading nonsense.

Anyone suffering through freshman Race, the World, and American Evil is going to realize that any humanities class is going to be about evil middle class Americans and why they need to be punished-- without any shred of facts or logic.
5.23.2008 3:18pm
Hoosier:
"But Prof. Zywicki's wording seems to indicate a much more general claim: "it is not worthwhile to spend a ton of money learning about the meaning of life". If that's true now why wasn't it in the past?"

I don't think it was som much the case in the past. The cost of a college education has outstripped inflation so badly over the course of the last 25 years that the decision to study business, pre-med, or engineering makes sense. And I have three Humanities degrees.

Porlock has it right, at least when it comes to elite universities: They want to run-up the endowment, so they chanre 7% more every year. (Plus "fees.") Faculty can bitch and moan about the lack of interest in Classical Languages or Art History. But the full- and chaired- faculty are NOT volunteering to teach an exxtra calss to save money. Nor to take a pay cut in order to hold tuition in check. So why should the students care if the professors don't?

In the end, we don't really have a good, working definition of what it is that an American goes to college FOR, other than "to get a better job" than he'd have if he didn't. This has driven supply of degree programs, while watering-down the academic component of the curriculum. But why not? Again, there is no sense that a person with a baccalaureate will have any common set of abilities, skills, or knowledge. What is required is the credential. (Ed. programs should be sufficient evidence of this fact.)

I don't want my children to major in a trade. But I also don't want them to starve. So when my oldest--he's 10--tells me that science is his favorite subject, I sleep better at night.
5.23.2008 3:31pm
Bruce Hayden (mail) (www):
How things change. Some of my fondest memories of my liberal arts undergraduate education were of the Latin classes I took. The classics prof was fluent in maybe a dozen languages, at least half of which were dead. Yet, his enthusiasm for his subject matter made memorizing Horace's Odes worthwhile. For awhile, we were on pass/fail, and he would announce the first day that everyone would pass, whether they came to class or not. So, we just went for him, the Latin, and the history of the Greeks and Romans, not burdened by students who were there just to get the credits to graduate.

Looking back, I also am glad I took Shakespeare and Plato. Somewhat for what those classes taught and somewhat for learning why our America is the way it is.
5.23.2008 3:40pm
Hoosier:
Bruce--Big del, knowing all those languages! it isn't HARD to learn languages that don't keep adding to their vocabulary.

Seriously, though, those were the professors I admired most. It always seemed to me that my Eastern European profs knew every language in the world, though this was cleary a type of hero-worship.

Those types of courses were my favorite as well. But now one of the universities I attended doesn't even offer first year Latin anymore. And my Classicist father-in-law was bought-out in an early retirement scheme some eyars ago, sonce they didn't want a Latin teacher at his school. If the admin. have decided not to offer Latin, what would you DO with your Latinist? Gotta get rid of him.
5.23.2008 3:51pm
Suzy (mail):
I'm having a little cognitive dissonance too, trying to figure out what's so "pc" about the Classics departments that are dying on the vine all around the U.S. I note the statement above that, "The objective of a liberal arts education had been teaching critical thinking to students" but for different reasons. It seems like we're not as interested in critical thinking anymore, and it's not because logic 101 has become infested with PCism. Philosophy is probably the least popular area in the humanities after Classics, and perhaps more than any other humanities disciplines it has been resistant to the temporary flutters of intellectual fashion.
5.23.2008 4:13pm
Don Miller (mail) (www):
I am not old enough to have experienced the era I am going to describe, but my Grandfather is.

The way he tells it, that once upon a time, College was about learning, about gaining a well-rounded education that exposed you to different ways of thinking. Critical thinking skills.

When you went to apply for a job, it didn't so much matter what your degree was, only that you had one. Liberal Arts/Humanities were important and valued.

Post WWII, colleges began specialize more. Employers began looking for specific degrees/majors. It has accelerated even more in the past 30 years.

An ex-girlfriend once tried to defend her choice of a Bachelors in English saying "it used to be a really good degree for a lot of different jobs". That may have been true, but now it is a gateway for a graduate degree in your specialty or to teach high school english classes.

The marketplace is demphasizing liberal arts degrees, are we suprised that students follow suit?
5.23.2008 4:42pm
Curt Fischer:

Post WWII, colleges began specialize more. Employers began looking for specific degrees/majors. It has accelerated even more in the past 30 years.


Perhaps this is true. But I can assure you as an engineering Ph.D. student that at either the baccalaureate or Ph.D. level, what people do after they graduate is only tenuously connected to what they are trained to do in school. Most B.S. chemical engineers do not design petrochemical plants. (Despite reform efforts, the idea still permeates the curriculum that the design of a petrochemical plant is the apotheosis of chemical engineering.)

At the Ph.D. level, my experience is that one's education and one's career are even more likely to be disconnected. Many of my chemical engineering Ph.D. classmates are interested in banking, finance, management, or computing. (And here I was thinking that the Ph.D.'s primary purpose was to train you for career in scholarly research!)

So in short I agree that post-WWII employers started to look for certain skills more than in the past, but it seems to me that the skills in demand are not quite so specialized. Mathematical skill, be it algorithmic reasoning (think computer programming) or computational ability, seems to be the kernel of it.
5.23.2008 5:26pm
Ryan Waxx (mail):

Who hires people who have degrees in "Women's studies" or similar grievance-based programs?


I can't think of a more secure position in a company than diversity officer. They often pull down a decent salary, too.

Think of them as the "Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice", but now atheists can play too.
5.23.2008 6:59pm
John87 (mail):
Who hires people with degrees in Women's studies, etc?

Ryan Waxx says: "I can't think of a more secure position in a company than diversity officer. They often pull down a decent salary, too."

This is very true. Michelle Obama got over $300K to be a diversity liason at a Chicago Hospital. How stupid is that?

BUT, and this is very important, the grievance-based programs train students only for winner-take-all jobs. The end game is to be a tenured professor or professional diversicrat, but if you fall short it is truly rough going. It would be as if the only job available to law students was tenured law professor; 1% of graduates would end up employed. Oh, and don't even bother applying to be a diversity officer if you aren't black or hispanic.

Mark my words, this phenomenon will be the end of the ultra left-wing academic industry. This group is impervious to crticism from those outside it's ranks. However, they will have to face up to a whole bunch of jaded former pupils who once had dreams of getting paid to tell people what is good and what isn't but are now manning a coffee grinder. The full effect will be seen in 5-10 years (if that) when their children go to college. Under no circumstances will the parent allow their kids to repeat their mistakes. Even if the kids don't listen, the parents will still turn on the professors and the programs in the public arena.

There are certain characteristics among the members of my generation that will will lead to huge sociological change across America. First and foremost is the gap between where young people want to end up in life and the path on which they are headed. Almost everyone seems to think they are a star, and it is axiomatic that most are headed for dissapointment. In this sense, I really think the contentless programs and left-wing educators will cause their own demise.
5.24.2008 12:02am
Suzy (mail):
A fair number of people with degrees in things like "Women's Studies" might end up going to law school! ;)
5.24.2008 1:31pm
Jay Myers:
A major reason for the decline of the humanities is the ascendancy of the idea that college is a trade school which is essential to getting a good job. More students than ever attend college and most of them are no more accomplished at graduation than high school graduates used to be in the first half of the last century.

If you are attending college to learn a trade (and have some drunken fun), then what trade would you associate with the humanities? Academia and politics/law. No wonder students who are looking for career track stay away in droves.

Employers have bought into this mindset as well by thinking that they must hire grads with a background in the field in which they will be working rather than looking at the college education as an indication that the grad has an able mind and will be able to be trained to do job tasks well.

Of course this is a mistaken apprehension. History grad students are much sought after by intelligence agencies as analysts because of the skills their discipline has taught them. It seems to me that those skills would also be valuable in strategic business management. Philosophy also prepares students for decision-making positions. Anthropology and sociology can prepare students to operate in other cultures and be a real asset to a global company.

Even as an ardent supporter of the liberal arts, however, I have to admit that "angry studies" (woman, black, hispanic, gay) seem nearly as useless to me as schools of education.
5.24.2008 5:31pm
Jay Myers:

Philosophy is probably the least popular area in the humanities after Classics, and perhaps more than any other humanities disciplines it has been resistant to the temporary flutters of intellectual fashion.

That is because most low level philosophy courses are either logic or history of philosophy. Even if your area of research is in some trendy PC field, ethics (as one example) is still going to be Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, Kant, Mill, and Rawls. What they wrote hasn't changed.

Besides, if you've gotten a PhD in philosophy, you've been exposed to so much skepticism that it's like an immunization. Epistemologists aren't even sure knowledge exists so why get excited over your belief in some loony idea from the left?
5.24.2008 5:43pm
TCO:
duh...go to law school...after the useless degree. Been this way for a while...
5.24.2008 6:44pm
Iolo:
Good comments here.


The power of universities comes from their monopoly of credentials. As Richard Vedder so deeply understands in his "Going Broke by Degree," they are the only institutions allowed to separate young individuals by IQ and by the ability to complete complex tasks. They do not add value to that, except in technical fields. Recruiters do not pay premiums because of what the Ivy League or the flagship state universities teach in English, history, political science, or sociology. They hire there despite, not because of, that. Recruiters do not pay premiums because our children have been sent to multicultural centers for sensitivity training. Recruiters pay premiums for the value already there, which universities merely identify. So long as recruiters pay premiums, however, it is rational for parents who wish to gain the most options for their children to send them to the university with the most prestigious degree. That will not change in the current scheme.
5.27.2008 2:20pm