The Volokh Conspiracy

Zero Money Down, Not Subprime Status, Leads Foreclosures

according to Stan Liebowitz, reporting in the WSJ today (Friday, July 3, 2009 not sure if publicly available) on a regression analysis he conducted of home mortgage foreclosures. I wonder what co-blogger Todd makes of this; I'm not expert enough in the numbers surrounding home mortgages to say. However, as the article says, there certainly are policy implications, one way or the other. Here's a little bit:

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MarkField (mail):
Barry Ritholtz criticizes Lieberman here.
7.3.2009 3:58pm
Bruce Hayden (mail):
The problem with reality here is that it is inconvenient. It would not have allowed the massive power grab by the current Administration, and esp. its Treasury Department. Also, Barney Frank is already pushing to spend TARP money paybacks to fund just this sort of lending. So, it just doesn't fit the convenient dialog. And it wouldn't have made not letting this crisis go to waste all that much harder.
7.3.2009 3:59pm
Harry Schell (mail):
It's human nature that you take care of those things and people you find valuable and have a stake in.

Those things that are "free" or you really have nothing on the table if they go away...why worry about it?

Part of the failure of socialism is a LACK of ownership by anyone in anything. High taxation takes your salary. Government minders tell you what to do so learning what to do is optional...and with free medical care, any mistakes you make in that area will (maybe) get fixed by the state at no cost to you (except for pain and suffering).

Government takes care and owns everything. People atrophy, mentally, physically and often morally. There is little stake, postive or negative in exerting yourself.

No wonder the Russians had such an alcohol problem.

And of course good old Barney Frank wants Fannie/Freddie to lend at 125% of market value....nobody can learn.
7.3.2009 4:34pm
geokstr (mail):
So they needed a study to show that no down payment and therefore no "skin in the game" makes it more likely that someone will walk away from a mortgage, especially if values decrease? Wasn't zero down one of those things that made a mortgage loan "sub-prime" to begin with? And one of the "sound business practices" that the leftists forced the banks to do away with because of "disparate impact" on their favorite victim groups?

Duh-uh.

How do I get a gig like that? Let's see, I could generate nearly conclusive analyses that unemployment might increase somewhat if taxes are raised to 100% of gross income if someone wants to pay me a couple hundred thou.

It would be interesting to see how many of those defaulters could easily afford to keep paying those mortgage payments anyway. Bet there might be an inverse relationship between credit scores and walkaways too.

And the best part is that, after taking into account the tax deductions for mortgages, on a cash flow basis, it's still cheaper in most cases than renting to keep these homes whose value will eventually rise to meet the mortgage again. (That is, if you actually have taxable income to deduct the interest from in the first place.)

The left loves to blame the greedy capitalist roaders on Wall Street for this collapse, and there is certainly something to be said about that. But the potentially huge amounts of faux profits to be made from this bubble made everybody's eyes bug out, including many who should not have gotten loans. If only the Ponzi bubble had not burst...
7.3.2009 4:45pm
Harry Eagar (mail):
It isn't a matter of loving to criticize the capitalist roaders. It's what happened.

It was Gramm, not Frank who led the children out of town.
7.3.2009 5:33pm
interruptus:

Wasn't zero down one of those things that made a mortgage loan "sub-prime" to begin with?

It's one component, but loans with zero down payment can still be classified as "prime" loans if the other factors are good, e.g. the borrower has a high income and good credit.

This article is arguing that whether a mortgage included a down payment or not is the single best predictor of default, better than whether the loan overall was classified as "sub-prime" or "prime". It's therefore arguing that the focus on sub-prime loans is at least partly misguided.
7.3.2009 5:53pm
geokstr (mail):
Wall Street didn't grant the insane loans to people who had no down payment and would predictably walk away from them if values went down. They made money by trying to figure out how to spread the risk of these moronic loans around. That is the sort of thing they do, and will continue to do no what policies are enacted, until Obama takes them over in his 4th term, that is.

Leftist pressure since the 1970's to spread the real estate wealth around was the genesis of this whole mess. I know you'd like to deflect it to this conservative, or that one, but no way we're going to let the left get away with revisionist history this time.

We're learning Alinsky now too, and we'll see how the left likes it when it's directed at them.
7.3.2009 5:55pm
Gues:
12% of subprimes account for 47% of foreclosures...

but I seem to recall a guy somewhere saying that we shouldn't be so quick to infer causation from "10% of Xs account for 20% of Ys"... now where was that...

http://tr.im/qOtw
7.3.2009 6:06pm
Desiderius:
Eagar,

"It isn't a matter of loving to criticize the capitalist roaders. It's what happened.

It was Gramm, not and Frank who led the children out of town."

Flows better that way.
7.3.2009 8:10pm
Art Eclectic:
So, loaning money to people who have a sketchy history of money management is a bad idea. Who knew? Oh, wait.....
7.3.2009 10:21pm
Stormy Dragon (mail) (www):
I'd be interested to see if there's a difference between states with no recourse mortgages and fulls recourse mortgages. If the hypothesis is true, foreclosure rates should be significantly lower in full recourse states since it's much harder to walk away from a mortgage you're capable of paying but don't want to pay.
7.3.2009 10:26pm
kdonovan:

I'd be interested to see if there's a difference between states with no recourse mortgages and fulls recourse mortgages. If the hypothesis is true, foreclosure rates should be significantly lower in full recourse states since it's much harder to walk away from a mortgage you're capable of paying but don't want to pay.

However I think many (first) mortgages in all states are non-recourse. I'm pretty sure this applies to VA loans (which are 0% down) and wonder if by extension it also applies to other federally insured loans like HFA (low income loans which are 3% down IIRC). My understanding is that VA loans have a somewhat higher default rate than a prime 20% down but that HFA loans have a hugely higher default rate. Consider how many people who can't scrape together a down payment take out federally insured/subsidized loans. Given how large this number is I wonder if the nomimal state law on whether a loan is no-recourse or not really matters for the eventual default rate. Even if all federally subsidized loans became full recourse it might not matter given the very limited assets and income of people getting HFA loans.
7.3.2009 11:24pm
Harry Eagar (mail):
'It was Gramm and Frank who led the children out of town.'

The system could have withstood Frank's interference. It was Grammite refusal to interfere in a crazed market that did the deed.
7.4.2009 2:09am
Ricardo (mail):
It's one component, but loans with zero down payment can still be classified as "prime" loans if the other factors are good, e.g. the borrower has a high income and good credit.

So what we need then is a number showing what percentage of prime loans have 100% loan-to-value ratio. My guess is that that number is very small since the average LTV ratios for prime mortgages that I've seen are between 80-85%.
7.4.2009 3:27am
Buckland:
Anybody know if Stan Liebowitz has made his calculations available anywhere?

To go into statistician speak: It's pretty obvious that he ran a logistic regression on the data as a basis for the article. It would be nice if he would share some of this to show the strength of argument.

Logistic models are good at separating out the contributions of different contributors like, in this case, lack of down payment, borrower credit score, borrower LTV, income, etc. I realize this is a WSJ article and not a statistical paper, but it would be nice to basic see numbers like the log odds ratios and p values
7.4.2009 9:57am
Bart (mail):
It would also be interesting to place Liebowitz' figures on a timeline.

In the mid 90s, the Boston Fed pressured banks to lower their underwriting standards to meet Community Reinvestment Act targets and HUD enacted regulations compelling Fannie and Freddie to buy up these CRS junk mortgages to make them 50% of their portfolios.

The subprime market started taking off in 1997 and peaked in the middle of 2006.

Home prices inflated over the same period of time due to the added artificial demand.

Then, the party came to an end as foreclosures doubled in the Summer of 2006.

As the foreclosed houses hit the market, home prices paused for a few months and then took a swan dive.

The 2006 legal foreclosures were the culmination of months long legal processes. The defaults that led to the 2006 foreclosures must have started in 2005 when home prices were still growing and the economy was booming. Thus, it is unlikely that folks with jobs and good credit with prime mortgages would have been defaulting in 2005.

I suspect instead that the CRS junk mortgages started defaulting in 2005, bursting the housing bubble. When home prices started diving back down to their real market values, the folks who obtained mortgages of any type towards the end of the bubble would have found themselves upside down owing more than the homes were worth. Many of them defaulted, keeping up the cycle of home price collapse, upside down mortgage default, and more default driven home price collapse. By 2008, the recession probably started contributing to the defaults.
7.4.2009 11:59am
Redman:
Get ready for the sub prime crisis on wheels in another year or two.

Millions of Americans are now encouraged to trade in their gas guzzling air polluting clunkers and get $3500-4500 in trade in value for a car which on the open market might bring $500 on a good day.

How many will jump at the chance to "own" a new car, and ignore the fact that the new car comes with a new car payment?

We WILL read the stories of how many auto loans coming out of this fiasco in the making went into default in the first few months, and how many new owners failed to make even the first payment. Sound familiar?

Just like the home builders, the auto makers will jump at the chance to put the unqualified into new cars. With the government's program, everyone will have made a decent down payment. How? Because the lenders will be encouraged .. if not forced .. to count the difference between the clunkers real value and the amount of the government's trade in mandate as a down payment.
7.4.2009 1:25pm
Harry Eagar (mail):
I'll believe the CRA was responsible when somebody shows how it operated in Iceland.

The underlying problem was allowing investment banks and savings banks to become the same bank. Edward Herman has been warning about this since the '70s.

The theory behind Glass-Steagall was that there are two kinds of institutions: safe banks and risk banks. By junking G-S and allowing new institutions to grow up outside its reach, we ended up with only one kind of bank, the risk bank.
7.4.2009 1:37pm
ChrisTS (mail):
It is not clear to me that many of us followed Mark Fieldf's helpful link. Of course, it is simply another opinion piece, in a way, but the data is linked, the statistics seem more carefully handled - and the upshot is that subprimes were far more to blame than mo money down primes.
7.4.2009 2:41pm
Stormy Dragon (mail) (www):
Another thing I'd be interested to see: is the increased risk linear as your go from 85% LTV to 100% LTV? Or does it stay relatively constant until you reach some cutoff between 85% and 100% and then suddenly spike? And what is that cutoff?

(disclosure: my current home was bought on a 97% LTV mortgage)
7.5.2009 3:11pm
NickM (mail) (www):
Stormy - without looking at the data, I would expect a spike at about 94% LTV. That's roughly the point where someone unable to pay his mortgage would be unable to sell the property with sufficient proceeds to pay off the mortgage.

Nick
7.7.2009 12:05pm

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